Voices Part 3
With
Robert Lawlor
I’m Jay Weidner. We’re talking
to Robert Lawlor about the paradox. What we’re talking about is the more that
they try to unify the world, the more we’re going to become fractious, the more
things are going to fall apart. The more that we unify, the more that we
almost ensure our own disintegration. In fact, maybe it’s a symptom of
disintegration to think that the sudden yearning for unity is going to solve
our problems.
Robert: Exactly. That’s how I thought this out eventually.
Now getting back to the absolute unity and its message of reproducing itself.
It chose two basic methods.
One is reflection and the other
is representation. So, reflection is an image but it’s of the actuality, the
real presence but it is an inversion of it. A reflection contains only an
inversion.
And, the second one is
representation. Now a reflection is an image of the actuality or the real
present but it is a reversion of it. The second one was representation in that
it prevents itself in a form or media that is other than itself.
So, the entirety of that
natural and material construct is a reflection. It’s only a reflection and a
representation and that reflection is an inversion of the actual presence of
all contained absolute unity.
So, that means that every
reality, whether… or every identity or distinguishment or individual contains
an integration of the opposite of everything that it appears to be. So, a thing
becomes a unit only in the integration of duality, of opposite.
So, this is the basic, for me,
of what you call Gnosticism and that belief system under that name.
Jay: As we go through the Yuga system, through the Hindu Yuga
system and we get to the close of the Kali Yuga which is where we are now,
we’re in a state of high disintegration.
And, in that state of high
disintegration, we’re trying to find some kind of unity that we think will hold
it together but in fact, that is…
Robert: We’re trying to create an opposition to it, to the
actuality and that opposition we’re taking apart… instead of it being the
disintegrating we’re taking apart the differentiation, the variety… the
variation, the specificity. And trying to meld those all into one, one
government and one?world order and so…
Jay: And, one way of thinking.
Robert: There’s confusion between distinguishment and
disintegration and it’s that misunderstanding is basic to our politics of
today.
Jay: And, really… And really, also, it’s a tragedy in front
of our eyes because we’re losing all of the things that really made us special
in the hopes of some vain idea that it’s going to unify all of us. In fact,
we’re just going to end up with one homogenous thing that isn’t going to be
very interesting at all actually.
Robert: That’s right. We strive towards unification which we
think to be our salvation, it’s really part of the movement toward a finality
that is dictated by time.
Jay: That says it all right there. I couldn’t agree more and
we are moving into a place that I call the ‘concentration of time’ where time
is actually beginning to fold over on itself and minutes are becoming shorter
than they were and hours are becoming shorter than they were and we’re moving
to a place where we could get cascading crisis’ going, where they could go out
of control like a freight train going down on mountainside.