Voices Part 4
With
Robert Lawlor
I’m Jay Weidner and if you are
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We’re talking to Robert Lawlor.
What’s important about understanding the Yuga cycles is that it changes your
view of reality.
And, here in the West, we’ve
had it beaten in to our heads that we were apes and we evolved and we turned
into humans and every minute we’re getting better and better and everything is
always getting better and better.
But, you know, in reality,
things aren’t getting better and better, they’re getting worse and worse. And,
this is a variant with the whole theory of evolution. So, you go out and you
try to find out why and we find the Yuga system which basically says that
things wind down.
And then, there’s a sudden
shift where things are taken back up to the top, in the so?called Golden Age
and then things began to wind down again. And, when you get to be old enough
like I am, you begin to realize that makes a lot more sense than the theory of
evolution.
Not that there are things in
the theory of evolution that are right, that are scientifically provable.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying is that overriding concept that we’re
getting better and somehow we’re evolving in getting smarter and faster by the
moment is just not true.
And so, I think it’s just
really important that you understand that. When Robert says that the Yuga
system, you know, from India is saying that we’re now in the twilight or near
the end of the Kali Yuga, I think the evidence is all around us, from the
decimation of species to the fishing out of the oceans, the loss of topsoil,
the deforestation of the entire northern hemisphere and a lot of other things.
Robert, I want to get back to
the paradox here. But, the other day, we were talking and you told me something
very interesting. I think America should hear it. In Australia, the news
broadcast of the protests against Obama were being shown and you told me that
basically, they were saying a whole bunch of racists were marching. Is that
right?
Robert: No, they had on the Australian news an interview with
Jimmy Carter who said that the difficulties that Obama is having with his
policies, particularly concerning the health program are really, they are just
people who are anti?racists.
Jay: Right and…
Robert: He perverted it into a racist quality. He said, I’m
from South, he said, I know how these people are and he said, He said that
these people are just reluctant to accept the policies of Obama and their
reluctance was really racist driven.
I think that it’s really a
dangerous time to be promoting racism to that extent. Not being in America, I
just doubt the validity of that. I think that the paradoxical understanding,
that it is the disorientation and variety among all the species and the
creations of the world that are pleasing to the unity.
But, I wanted to go next to
what is, I think, is a very important aspect of our thinking and also a mistake
as our comprehension which is due to the twilight circumstances and lack of
illumination in our thought. That is the fact that once we understand that the
universe is only a reflection and representation of the actual reality behind
creative spirit we can see the paradox.
And after this we moved to
making the mistake that this reflection is reality and that reality is an all
encompassing complete and total full consciousness.
It is like when we approach a
mirror we go through the same thing we almost forget that the presence of our
actuality and, we take on and project the reality into our reflection.
And as we scrub and shave and
pinch and pluck and so on, we really think that this whole activity is
occurring with the reflection and the reflection has a powerful way of pulling
our sense of the real into what it is not. It’s a reflection of the real.
The thing you are seeing does
not exist. Only turn aside and you will view what you want. What you see is but
a shadow cast by your reflection. In itself, it is nothing. It comes with you.
It last while you are there. It will go when you go.
This is the sort of hypnotic,
magnetism of the mirror image over the reality and we are an aspect of this
imaging, per se. The whole of the natural world and the nature of the universe
is simply only the reflection of something that’s really is an fundamental
nature, absolute consciousness of we’ve become magnetized, hypnotized by this
illusion of the material in physical world, being the basis of reality and this
being the basic mistake of what we called physical science and material
philosophy out of what you were just talking about, Darwin. Darwinism is the
result of that.
Jay: Yes, that’s right and even if Darwinism were true, it
probably shouldn’t be discussed in the open because it tends to denigrate the
human condition within the spirit of the human being who’s hearing the
information. And generally, it’s the root of political Fascism and communism
and the Nazism and all of this “isms” came out of Darwinism which
gained racism a scientific reason to be and you know, I can’t overemphasize,
you know, the damage that that theory has done to the world.
Robert: … you know, he said that… I don’t have the exact
phrase in front of me but he said after his travels and encountering the
indigenous people and how they distinguished themselves through self?decoration.
He said, I’d rather be a descendant of an ape or a chimpanzee than be the
descendants of these people. I mean this whole thing was white, Anglo?Saxon
racist thought and it is elitist.