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Voices Part 4

With

Robert Lawlor

I’m Jay Weidner and if you are
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We’re talking to Robert Lawlor.
What’s important about understanding the Yuga cycles is that it changes your
view of reality.

And, here in the West, we’ve
had it beaten in to our heads that we were apes and we evolved and we turned
into humans and every minute we’re getting better and better and everything is
always getting better and better.

But, you know, in reality,
things aren’t getting better and better, they’re getting worse and worse. And,
this is a variant with the whole theory of evolution. So, you go out and you
try to find out why and we find the Yuga system which basically says that
things wind down.

And then, there’s a sudden
shift where things are taken back up to the top, in the so?called Golden Age
and then things began to wind down again. And, when you get to be old enough
like I am, you begin to realize that makes a lot more sense than the theory of
evolution.

Not that there are things in
the theory of evolution that are right, that are scientifically provable.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying is that overriding concept that we’re
getting better and somehow we’re evolving in getting smarter and faster by the
moment is just not true.

And so, I think it’s just
really important that you understand that. When Robert says that the Yuga
system, you know, from India is saying that we’re now in the twilight or near
the end of the Kali Yuga, I think the evidence is all around us, from the
decimation of species to the fishing out of the oceans, the loss of topsoil,
the deforestation of the entire northern hemisphere and a lot of other things.

Robert, I want to get back to
the paradox here. But, the other day, we were talking and you told me something
very interesting. I think America should hear it. In Australia, the news
broadcast of the protests against Obama were being shown and you told me that
basically, they were saying a whole bunch of racists were marching. Is that
right?

Robert:  No, they had on the Australian news an interview with
Jimmy Carter who said that the difficulties that Obama is having with his
policies, particularly concerning the health program are really, they are just
people who are anti?racists.

Jay:  Right and…

Robert:  He perverted it into a racist quality. He said, I’m
from South, he said, I know how these people are and he said, He said that
these people are just reluctant to accept the policies of Obama and their
reluctance was really racist driven.

I think that it’s really a
dangerous time to be promoting racism to that extent. Not being in America, I
just doubt the validity of that. I think that the paradoxical understanding,
that it is the disorientation and variety among all the species and the
creations of the world that are pleasing to the unity.

But, I wanted to go next to
what is, I think, is a very important aspect of our thinking and also a mistake
as our comprehension which is due to the twilight circumstances and lack of
illumination in our thought. That is the fact that once we understand that the
universe is only a reflection and representation of the actual reality behind
creative spirit we can see the paradox.

And after this we moved to
making the mistake that this reflection is reality and that reality is an all
encompassing complete and total full consciousness.

It is like when we approach a
mirror we go through the same thing we almost forget that the presence of our
actuality and, we take on and project the reality into our reflection.

And as we scrub and shave and
pinch and pluck and so on, we really think that this whole activity is
occurring with the reflection and the reflection has a powerful way of pulling
our sense of the real into what it is not. It’s a reflection of the real.

The thing you are seeing does
not exist. Only turn aside and you will view what you want. What you see is but
a shadow cast by your reflection. In itself, it is nothing. It comes with you.
It last while you are there. It will go when you go.

This is the sort of hypnotic,
magnetism of the mirror image over the reality and we are an aspect of this
imaging, per se. The whole of the natural world and the nature of the universe
is simply only the reflection of something that’s really is an fundamental
nature, absolute consciousness of we’ve become magnetized, hypnotized by this
illusion of the material in physical world, being the basis of reality and this
being the basic mistake of what we called physical science and material
philosophy out of what you were just talking about, Darwin. Darwinism is the
result of that.

Jay:  Yes, that’s right and even if Darwinism were true, it
probably shouldn’t be discussed in the open because it tends to denigrate the
human condition within the spirit of the human being who’s hearing the
information. And generally, it’s the root of political Fascism and communism
and the Nazism and all of this “isms” came out of Darwinism which
gained racism a scientific reason to be and you know, I can’t overemphasize,
you know, the damage that that theory has done to the world.

Robert:  … you know, he said that… I don’t have the exact
phrase in front of me but he said after his travels and encountering the
indigenous people and how they distinguished themselves through self?decoration.
He said, I’d rather be a descendant of an ape or a chimpanzee than be the
descendants of these people. I mean this whole thing was white, Anglo?Saxon
racist thought and it is elitist.

Voices Part 3

With

Robert Lawlor

I’m Jay Weidner. We’re talking
to Robert Lawlor about the paradox. What we’re talking about is the more that
they try to unify the world, the more we’re going to become fractious, the more
things are going to fall apart. The more that we unify, the more that we
almost ensure our own disintegration. In fact, maybe it’s a symptom of
disintegration to think that the sudden yearning for unity is going to solve
our problems.

Robert:  Exactly. That’s how I thought this out eventually.
Now getting back to the absolute unity and its message of reproducing itself.
It chose two basic methods.

One is reflection and the other
is representation. So, reflection is an image but it’s of the actuality, the
real presence but it is an inversion of it. A reflection contains only an
inversion.

And, the second one is
representation. Now a reflection is an image of the actuality or the real
present but it is a reversion of it. The second one was representation in that
it prevents itself in a form or media that is other than itself.

So, the entirety of that
natural and material construct is a reflection. It’s only a reflection and a
representation and that reflection is an inversion of the actual presence of
all contained absolute unity.

So, that means that every
reality, whether… or every identity or distinguishment or individual contains
an integration of the opposite of everything that it appears to be. So, a thing
becomes a unit only in the integration of duality, of opposite.

So, this is the basic, for me,
of what you call Gnosticism and that belief system under that name.

Jay:  As we go through the Yuga system, through the Hindu Yuga
system and we get to the close of the Kali Yuga which is where we are now,
we’re in a state of high disintegration.

And, in that state of high
disintegration, we’re trying to find some kind of unity that we think will hold
it together but in fact, that is…

Robert:  We’re trying to create an opposition to it, to the
actuality and that opposition we’re taking apart… instead of it being the
disintegrating we’re taking apart the differentiation, the variety… the
variation, the specificity. And trying to meld those all into one, one
government and one?world order and so…

Jay:  And, one way of thinking.

Robert:  There’s confusion between distinguishment and
disintegration and it’s that misunderstanding is basic to our politics of
today.

Jay:  And, really… And really, also, it’s a tragedy in front
of our eyes because we’re losing all of the things that really made us special
in the hopes of some vain idea that it’s going to unify all of us. In fact,
we’re just going to end up with one homogenous thing that isn’t going to be
very interesting at all actually.

Robert:  That’s right. We strive towards unification which we
think to be our salvation, it’s really part of the movement toward a finality
that is dictated by time.

Jay:  That says it all right there. I couldn’t agree more and
we are moving into a place that I call the ‘concentration of time’ where time
is actually beginning to fold over on itself and minutes are becoming shorter
than they were and hours are becoming shorter than they were and we’re moving
to a place where we could get cascading crisis’ going, where they could go out
of control like a freight train going down on mountainside.

Voices Part 2

With Robert Lawlor

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Robert, you were talking about the paradox. We are all one and yet, we are separated and I was wondering... I wanted you to get back to your point but I also wanted to know how this paradox is unfolding today in the modern world and what the evidence is for it happening right now.

Robert: I think I can answer that rather quickly. I wanted to go to G. Spencer Brown reaction to the paradox basically, creation. He said that to draw a distinction, call the first distinction... call it the first distinction. Call the space in which it is drawn, a space that is severed for cloven with distinction.

So, I realized that we who are exists as the result of the cosmic paradigm the one that is all that is one, and the severance in space into distinction. We tend to work constantly to overcome or to invert this process that brought the universe into existence, brings back insight and creates relationships

So, our effort to reestablish the actuality of oneness behind the great diversity and multiplicity is part of the forces that are driving us towards new goals such as one?world government and one language and one God and not realizing that the representation of multiplicity... of the oneness in... that multiplicity is the whole insight of the universe. The United Nations has really very active goal, the illumined ones or controllers of nations want a one?world government that is based on not understanding the nature of this paradox between one and all, between unity and diversity.

Jay:  I think you've nailed it. So, the more that they try to unify, the more that they're actually going to cause it to become more fractious.

Robert:  The manifestation of an absolute unity is to withdraw the forces that are sustaining.

Jay:  I see. So...

Robert:  The Kabbalah has an interesting way of talking about the absolute unity. They call it the invisible face of God and that fits. It is this actual face of God that cannot be seen as the ‘all’. It cannot be named. There is no aspect or creature that is within the universal creation which is based on the severance because nothing can distinguish itself from that absolute unity.

So, there was a very strong move in the religious or spiritual basis of humanity to not to try to give a name for this aspect of invisible faith, that is something that cannot be distinguished and it cannot become a part of the distinguished faith.

However, then there are entities like religion which claimed that they gave a specific name to the all encompassing universe. It is the denial of this original tenet, and the understanding of the nature that is being violated by religion who based themselves on a name or would testify ... It is forgotten.

Jay:   So, it's that old kind of Taoist maxim that the more you try to fix it, the more broken it gets and that's what they're trying to do with all this unity.