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Voices Part 4

With

Robert Lawlor

 

I'm Jay Weidner and if you are interested in any of my films or videos you can go to www.sacredmysteries.com and see our catalog of films. We have Artmind with Alex Grey, Healing the Luminous Body with Alberto Villoldo as well as Quantum Astrology with Rick Levine.

We're talking to Robert Lawlor. What's important about understanding the Yuga cycles is that it changes your view of reality.

And, here in the West, we've had it beaten in to our heads that we were apes and we evolved and we turned into humans and every minute we're getting better and better and everything is always getting better and better.

But, you know, in reality, things aren't getting better and better, they're getting worse and worse. And, this is a variant with the whole theory of evolution. So, you go out and you try to find out why and we find the Yuga system which basically says that things wind down.

And then, there's a sudden shift where things are taken back up to the top, in the so?called Golden Age and then things began to wind down again. And, when you get to be old enough like I am, you begin to realize that makes a lot more sense than the theory of evolution.

Not that there are things in the theory of evolution that are right, that are scientifically provable. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying is that overriding concept that we're getting better and somehow we're evolving in getting smarter and faster by the moment is just not true.

And so, I think it's just really important that you understand that. When Robert says that the Yuga system, you know, from India is saying that we're now in the twilight or near the end of the Kali Yuga, I think the evidence is all around us, from the decimation of species to the fishing out of the oceans, the loss of topsoil, the deforestation of the entire northern hemisphere and a lot of other things.

Robert, I want to get back to the paradox here. But, the other day, we were talking and you told me something very interesting. I think America should hear it. In Australia, the news broadcast of the protests against Obama were being shown and you told me that basically, they were saying a whole bunch of racists were marching. Is that right?

Robert:  No, they had on the Australian news an interview with Jimmy Carter who said that the difficulties that Obama is having with his policies, particularly concerning the health program are really, they are just people who are anti?racists.

Jay:  Right and...

Robert:  He perverted it into a racist quality. He said, I'm from South, he said, I know how these people are and he said, He said that these people are just reluctant to accept the policies of Obama and their reluctance was really racist driven.

I think that it's really a dangerous time to be promoting racism to that extent. Not being in America, I just doubt the validity of that. I think that the paradoxical understanding, that it is the disorientation and variety among all the species and the creations of the world that are pleasing to the unity.

But, I wanted to go next to what is, I think, is a very important aspect of our thinking and also a mistake as our comprehension which is due to the twilight circumstances and lack of illumination in our thought. That is the fact that once we understand that the universe is only a reflection and representation of the actual reality behind creative spirit we can see the paradox.

And after this we moved to making the mistake that this reflection is reality and that reality is an all encompassing complete and total full consciousness.

It is like when we approach a mirror we go through the same thing we almost forget that the presence of our actuality and, we take on and project the reality into our reflection.

And as we scrub and shave and pinch and pluck and so on, we really think that this whole activity is occurring with the reflection and the reflection has a powerful way of pulling our sense of the real into what it is not. It's a reflection of the real.

The thing you are seeing does not exist. Only turn aside and you will view what you want. What you see is but a shadow cast by your reflection. In itself, it is nothing. It comes with you. It last while you are there. It will go when you go.

This is the sort of hypnotic, magnetism of the mirror image over the reality and we are an aspect of this imaging, per se. The whole of the natural world and the nature of the universe is simply only the reflection of something that's really is an fundamental nature, absolute consciousness of we've become magnetized, hypnotized by this illusion of the material in physical world, being the basis of reality and this being the basic mistake of what we called physical science and material philosophy out of what you were just talking about, Darwin. Darwinism is the result of that.

Jay:  Yes, that's right and even if Darwinism were true, it probably shouldn't be discussed in the open because it tends to denigrate the human condition within the spirit of the human being who's hearing the information. And generally, it's the root of political Fascism and communism and the Nazism and all of this "isms" came out of Darwinism which gained racism a scientific reason to be and you know, I can't overemphasize, you know, the damage that that theory has done to the world.

Robert:  ... you know, he said that... I don't have the exact phrase in front of me but he said after his travels and encountering the indigenous people and how they distinguished themselves through self?decoration. He said, I'd rather be a descendant of an ape or a chimpanzee than be the descendants of these people. I mean this whole thing was white, Anglo?Saxon racist thought and it is elitist.

 

Voices Part 3

With

Robert Lawlor

 

I'm Jay Weidner. We're talking to Robert Lawlor about the paradox. What we're talking about is the more that they try to unify the world, the more we're going to become fractious, the more things are going to fall apart. The more that we unify, the more that we almost ensure our own disintegration. In fact, maybe it's a symptom of disintegration to think that the sudden yearning for unity is going to solve our problems.

Robert:  Exactly. That's how I thought this out eventually. Now getting back to the absolute unity and its message of reproducing itself. It chose two basic methods.

One is reflection and the other is representation. So, reflection is an image but it's of the actuality, the real presence but it is an inversion of it. A reflection contains only an inversion.

And, the second one is representation. Now a reflection is an image of the actuality or the real present but it is a reversion of it. The second one was representation in that it prevents itself in a form or media that is other than itself.

So, the entirety of that natural and material construct is a reflection. It's only a reflection and a representation and that reflection is an inversion of the actual presence of all contained absolute unity.

So, that means that every reality, whether... or every identity or distinguishment or individual contains an integration of the opposite of everything that it appears to be. So, a thing becomes a unit only in the integration of duality, of opposite.

So, this is the basic, for me, of what you call Gnosticism and that belief system under that name.

Jay:  As we go through the Yuga system, through the Hindu Yuga system and we get to the close of the Kali Yuga which is where we are now, we're in a state of high disintegration.

And, in that state of high disintegration, we're trying to find some kind of unity that we think will hold it together but in fact, that is...

Robert:  We're trying to create an opposition to it, to the actuality and that opposition we're taking apart... instead of it being the disintegrating we're taking apart the differentiation, the variety... the variation, the specificity. And trying to meld those all into one, one government and one?world order and so...

Jay:  And, one way of thinking.

Robert:  There's confusion between distinguishment and disintegration and it's that misunderstanding is basic to our politics of today.

Jay:  And, really... And really, also, it's a tragedy in front of our eyes because we're losing all of the things that really made us special in the hopes of some vain idea that it's going to unify all of us. In fact, we're just going to end up with one homogenous thing that isn't going to be very interesting at all actually.

Robert:  That's right. We strive towards unification which we think to be our salvation, it's really part of the movement toward a finality that is dictated by time.

Jay:  That says it all right there. I couldn't agree more and we are moving into a place that I call the ‘concentration of time’ where time is actually beginning to fold over on itself and minutes are becoming shorter than they were and hours are becoming shorter than they were and we're moving to a place where we could get cascading crisis’ going, where they could go out of control like a freight train going down on mountainside.

 

Voices Part 2

With Robert Lawlor

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Robert, you were talking about the paradox. We are all one and yet, we are separated and I was wondering... I wanted you to get back to your point but I also wanted to know how this paradox is unfolding today in the modern world and what the evidence is for it happening right now.

Robert: I think I can answer that rather quickly. I wanted to go to G. Spencer Brown reaction to the paradox basically, creation. He said that to draw a distinction, call the first distinction... call it the first distinction. Call the space in which it is drawn, a space that is severed for cloven with distinction.

So, I realized that we who are exists as the result of the cosmic paradigm the one that is all that is one, and the severance in space into distinction. We tend to work constantly to overcome or to invert this process that brought the universe into existence, brings back insight and creates relationships

So, our effort to reestablish the actuality of oneness behind the great diversity and multiplicity is part of the forces that are driving us towards new goals such as one?world government and one language and one God and not realizing that the representation of multiplicity... of the oneness in... that multiplicity is the whole insight of the universe. The United Nations has really very active goal, the illumined ones or controllers of nations want a one?world government that is based on not understanding the nature of this paradox between one and all, between unity and diversity.

Jay:  I think you've nailed it. So, the more that they try to unify, the more that they're actually going to cause it to become more fractious.

Robert:  The manifestation of an absolute unity is to withdraw the forces that are sustaining.

Jay:  I see. So...

Robert:  The Kabbalah has an interesting way of talking about the absolute unity. They call it the invisible face of God and that fits. It is this actual face of God that cannot be seen as the ‘all’. It cannot be named. There is no aspect or creature that is within the universal creation which is based on the severance because nothing can distinguish itself from that absolute unity.

So, there was a very strong move in the religious or spiritual basis of humanity to not to try to give a name for this aspect of invisible faith, that is something that cannot be distinguished and it cannot become a part of the distinguished faith.

However, then there are entities like religion which claimed that they gave a specific name to the all encompassing universe. It is the denial of this original tenet, and the understanding of the nature that is being violated by religion who based themselves on a name or would testify ... It is forgotten.

Jay:   So, it's that old kind of Taoist maxim that the more you try to fix it, the more broken it gets and that's what they're trying to do with all this unity.